Den norske fangstskuta bruker 14 minutter og flere rifleskudd på å avlive hvalen.
Opptakene hviser hvordan mannskapet bruker mellom 14 og 15 minutter på å avlive dyret - der det tas i bruk vanlig rifle fordi harpunen treffer dårlig i den høye sjøen.
Filmen er fra mai i år. Dyrevernsorganisasjonen mener dette knuser hvalfangernes og norske myndigheters påstander om at hvalfangsten er human. Som hovedregel skal all hval avlives momentant - selv om det tas høyde for at uhell kan skje.
Offentliggjøringen av filmen skjer bare dager før åpningen av hvalfangskommisjonens møte i Sør-Korea på mandag.
- Den har allerede gjort et sterkt inntrykk på delegasjonene, sier Jennifer Lonsdale i EIA til Dagbladet.no.
Filmen er distribuert som DVD - først til den norske delegasjonen, deretter til de andre medlemslandene i kommisjonen.
- Flaut for Norge
- Bakgrunnen for at vi dro til Vardø for å fange hvalfangsten på film, er at vi har spurt norske myndigheter om videodokumentasjon i flere år, uten å få det.
- Vi mener at slik dokumentasjon er viktig for å kunne avgjøre om avlivningsmetodene er så humane som norske myndigheter skryter av. De har lenge hevdet at de er best i klassen. Denne videoen regner jeg med har gitt dem en flau smak i munnen, sier Lonsdale.
Hun stiller seg likegyldig til hvalfangernes påstand om at EIA hadde flaks med akkurat avlivningen de fikk filmet.
- Jeg påstår ikke at 14 minutter er vanlig avlivningstid, men vi dro til Norge, fikk ett opptak, og det tok 14 minutter for hvalen å dø. Med tanke på den hvalen, vil jeg ikke kalle det flaks, sier hun.
Lonsdale legger ikke skjul på at norske myndigheter og EIA har forskjellig syn på om det bør drives hvalfangst.
- Men poenget her er at myndighetene må sørge for at den hvalfangsten som drives, foregår på en mest mulig human måte. Og vi er sterkt kritiske til at Norge ikke lenger har hvalfangsinspektører på alle fartøyer. Jeg tviler sterkt på at den elektroniske overvåkingsløsningen de nå skal bruke vil registrere slike ting som avlivningstid, sier hun.
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This is so lame.... It`s like the 23497234862343 most important thing to care about. You really need to open your eyes and see what else is going on in the world. It seems like americans care more about animallifes instead of people`s lifes.(dunno if your american)
Sorry for my bad english
Have a nice day.
Innsendt av: hellokitty
This is not an acceptable way to kill an animal. But let me assure you that Norway is regretful, and that we are very concerned with humanity and what's best for our animals. However I do believe that the whalers up north have an unhealthy culture of doing whatever it takes to kill the whale and get it onboard.
Though, we also have to keep in mind that as soon as that harpoon has been fired, there's no turning back. You can't just yank the harpoon back out of the whale and call it a bad aim and whish the whale the best of luck. I am sure that the whalers did what they could to end the whales pain as quickly as possible.
However, in my opinion, they shouldn't have been hunting in that weather in the first place. What is your opinion on other whale hunting nations, such as Japan? And do they have methods we could learn from?
Innsendt av: Peter Johan
There is a huge amount of concern about Japanese whaling and particularly its plans to double its minke whale in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctury and to add threatened fin and humpback whales to its programme. Only about 35% of whales killed by Japan are killed instantaneaously. Japan is also using a harpoon designed to kill minke whales, to kill the much larger Brydes, Sei and Sperm whales and will do so with the fins and humpbacks. They have not carried out any research into developing a harpoon which may be better for killing the larger whales. I think it is best to learn not to do as the Japanese do.
Start talking to animals
You better have chat with other predators(non human ones) like wolves, tigers and lions. Their prey is often eaten before their dead, Or their prey gets away mortally wounded.
Nature is tough face it....
Innsendt av: Torgeir
Dude, I'm not fore whale hunting whatsoever, but who are englishmen to talk? All I can say is Fox Hunting.. They let a pack of dogs rip a defenseless fox apart, how is that any better?
How about whiping your own ass before you whipe ours, eh?
Innsendt av: Kristian
someone has allready pointed out that the video may represent the minority of cases rather than the truth about whaling in Norway. I understand that this incidence is unacceptable to you, but weather one is for or against whaling, I think that it would only serve your case better if you had more evidence to support your case. Purely from a statistical point of view, there is a risk that one incidence happened by chance. It may off course not be, but to make your point stronger, I think that more evidence is needed.
If flipping a coin twice gives 2 heads and no tail, this is purely by chance and it would be invalid to state that in the future it would always be heads. But by flipping it 1000 times, you may be able to prove your point in a way that will make more people support your case. I think that making valid argument with solid evidence and without bias would serve any case good.
Innsendt av: mari
Do you avoid whale-products?
Do you avoid products made of whales, such as Make-up and gelatin?
Innsendt av: Jonas
How much do we know..
..about the way animals think and feel? How much do they actually suffer? Do you think the whale feels sad when being shot and killed like this? Do you think it feels panic?
Innsendt av: I.R Hunter
Of course, every person, organisation or country should be able to stand against critisism. Many people around the world are against whale hunting, but not people in Norway, surprise?
Yes, this film was only one shot, not telling the complet story, nevertheless a good film adding to the critics against whale hunting.
Ted Jakobsson, Pediatrician, Sweden
Innsendt av: Ted Jakobsson
Who gives a
Who gives a rats ass about this?
Fair enough that it takes a while for the animal to die, and they should improve their methods. But what else is so terrible?
Dont see whats wrong with killing whale, people go hunting grizzley's for fun and shiz like that.
Are you just for a swifter death, because thats fair, but to abolish this or say that its terrible is a joke.
Innsendt av: Charlie von Kee'g
why do they do that
why in the hell are they doing that to the animal, they had don nothing too that fich and they go around an kill it... way is it nesesery too do that why???
Innsendt av: betsaveth
Whaling is a cultural thing in Norway, and we have hunted whales for centuries. Yes, you are right that they should be killed as humanely as possible, but totally banning it is ridiculous.
Why not ban what they're doing in China, where they rip the skin of the animals while they are still alive? Or isn't that as important, seeing how that is happening in a "barbaric" eastern country, and not a rich western country?
Far away from wrile life
You and your peers have come to far from the wrile life. You have no understanding for natural prosesses and have a misunderstood and fundamentlistic approach to environmental protection.
My question is: Do you think that hamburgers in the nature look as they do in the grocerie shops?
Innsendt av: Wotan
On an intelectually level
As I assume you are an expert on the field, I find it interesting to ask you what you feel would be an appropriate way of hunting whale? I am sure you are familiar with the fact that whale hunting is a part of the culture in Norway, much the same as with the Inuits on Greenland and Canada. On the other hand, it would help greatly if you could say if you oppose whale hunting in general, or if it is the hunting method you are against.
And people, reduce your hostilities in the questions, please. Let's keep this on a civilized level, OK?
Innsendt av: Jon A
.. to discuss hunting with someone which is againt all hunting regardless of species.
Stop beating around the bush! Admit it! You want all hunting to end and you want all of us to start eating gras like yourself.
Innsendt av: Wotan
Why is it pictures from Vardø, then from Lofoten..and then from the sea where the hunting is....
When the information about the video is fake...what else is fake...????
Innsendt av: Mona
Why beat around the bush?
You say in an answer that you are only criticising the methods.
Most of the extreme environmentalists, and I guess that includes you, are against all killing of animals, wether it be fish, cattle or anything else.
Why do you constantly try to hide the fact that you are not only after whalers, but that this is merely a first step towards a vegan society. I think you should come clear and declare loud and clearly to everyone: "We want to take away your dinner, and replace it with tofu and soybeans." Then people could take a stand.
One person from PETA even compared the Lofoten fisheries to Holocaust......
Innsendt av: Øystein
Dear Jennifer Lonsdale
I must admit that I cannot see the difference between killing regular fish and killing whales. When fishing, the fish gets caught in the nets and die a slow painful death. But it is the only way to catch them, and we need fish. The same reasoning can easily be applied to killing whale. Additionally If we do not kill whales, they will eat the fish => we don't get fish. Balancing an ecosystem is difficult but it should still be done. (Remember we have been killing them for quite some time now).
If however your reasoning relies on the fact that they are mammals, well then look at bull-fighting. I do not see any restrictions on torturing bulls. Why? Because of the long culture? (like the one we have for killing whales?) And bear in mind that bullfighting is just for fun....
If you it is the way in which the killing is done, then perhaps you could come up with a better solution, instead of just dismissing the hole idea. When you are ready for this, I am ready to contribute. Until then... No way!
Innsendt av: Åsmund
As I've said before, I abhore bull-fighting and would not argue for a second that it is any more justifiable than whaling.
In response to your last point I will reiterate my position that substantial research has shown that there is no humane way to kill a moving whale from a moving platform.
Wild vs farm animals
Do you not feel the whale in total leads a better life living in the free until it gets hunted than chickens that are kept in tiny cages where they cannot even stand up straight throughout their lives? I am sure the whale could be more reliably killed if it was bred in a more controlled environment. Saying it was technically possible, would you consider that a more preferred solution?
Innsendt av: Kristine
start with your own country
I think you people should find something else to complain about. Whaling is a great tradition in Norway. For starters you can start with cellarfield in yor own country. Punping toxic waste out into the North Sea. But I guess you don't care about that. In a couple of years there might not be any whales or fishes left in the oceans, because you people killed them. That is something you should worry about, not if it takes 14 minutes to kill a single whale. But i guess you got nothing better to do.
Innsendt av: anonymous
To me, whales are really nothing but a big fish. 2 min or 30 min to kill it doesnt really matter to me. Personally, I think the whale-hunting is problematic due to the fact that diffrent experts have diffrent views on how much whales we can hunt. But when we have allowed whale-hunting, the method from this film seems as good as any. Without the (dramatic) voiceover, I wouldnt react on it at all.
Innsendt av: Torgeir
I think the video is disturbing. It makes me really inberessed to be a Norwegian. The "humane killings" are a lie. keep up the good work Jennifer.
Thank you for being you
Thank you. It is normal for us in Norway to put ourselves on our high horses and think the rest of the world are wrong and should keep their nose out of our way of living. I am ashamed of some of our fishermen and hunters who have a very cynical way of looking at animals, environment, it all runs down to two things; profits and money. So keep up the good work. And it is nice that some people have values like you and your organization.
Innsendt av: Mie
Why this witch hunt on whalers? You only focus on things that went wrong, and never say a word of how well everything else went. It's not humane bla bla bla. Okay, I agree. THAT shot you got on tape was maybe not that humane, but that is because it was not a perfect hit.
So let us focus on your work now. Are you always doing things 100% correct? Never broken any laws with your demonstrations, never? Never done anything bad just to get your story?
If the whalers had not missed with the shot, no one would have seen or heard anything from your little tour to find a way to speak condescending of whalers.
Grow up, face reality, and try focusing on the positive sides aswell. :)
Innsendt av: Stian Domben Bårdsen
What can we do?
Thanks for helping to put this back in the public spotlight.
I hope you appreciate that most Norwegians don't support these barbaric practices. The fact that the authorities allow this to continue is more a reflection of the electoral system, and the incompetence and pure ignorance of the politicians in this country. In fact, the whaling issue is not on the political agenda at all. (Maybe this is because being against whaling is perceived as simply "un-Norwegian"?)
Anyway, what do you think ordinary Norwegians do to help stop whale hunting? (I've given up on the politicians in this country).
Innsendt av: Christian (Sydney)
not a debate about eating meat or not, but how is it possible to kill an animal in a human way?? the outcome for the animal is death anyway. and from the hunters view, it's best to kill the animal as fast as possible to not ruin the meat. But sometimes the bullet don't hit the bullseye right away, and then the killing takes a little more time.
Innsendt av: Thor Loenning
if people like you
used such effort in helping PEOPLE, kids and women around the world instead of hollywoodmade friends, I bet the world would be such a nice place, dont you think?
Innsendt av: Thomas
Am I supporting EIA?
Does this EIA receive any kind of support from the government? I hope not, coz I would certainly not like to support such people...
You guys must be terrified by fish hunters in the rivers, that often have a salmon hooked for an hour before they land it.
14 minutes is quite fast for such a large animal as a whale i think.
Innsendt av: Jorgen
When they didn't manage to kill the whale with the first harpoon shot, what should they had rather done?
Innsendt av: S. Nesse
wolves & bears in Norway
Hi! I'm very thankfull for what you did.
This movie can be so important for animal care.
Just so you know, most norwegians don't approve this kind of hunting.
I would like to ask you what you think of Norway's butchering of wolves and bears when there are almost none left?
Innsendt av: cb
Good and bad
I can only speak for my selv.
It's is clear htat you have made a good point, pointing out tha fact that there are some whalehunters who dosen't follow given regulations on whalecatching. And on that point I can agree with you.
But, I react on the angel you have cosen. Your message may have been missed because you are presenting this catch as a widespread problem. But, you only caught one bad killing og one whale. That only proves one crew of 5-6 people. I don't know how many whalehunterse there are, but I strongly disagre on your presentation. I hardly belive that it is a widespread problem and therefore a reason to stop hunting whales. That is my impression on this film. If you have presentet this film as a question and asked for improvents and followed norway up and made sure they followed some new guidelines.
How often are other animals wounded during hunting? How often are these examples shown? How often are people that hunts for other animals been fined og put in jail?
I hope you see my point. Don't waste your time and effort to produce "horror" tapes og wounded animals. It won't have the exact effect I think you are after.
Innsendt av: Ron
This is the whale kill we were able to document. If the Norwegian Government or the Norwegian whalers would like to invite us to film the hunts from the boats we would be very pleased to do so. It would mean we had documentation of more hunts.
Where to focus our energy and resources and what to put on the agenda
I will not get into the discussion on whether whale hunting is humane or whether the whales being hunted are to be considered an endangered species.
However, I do believe the world is facing far more pressing problems, namely the hunger, diseases and violence that millions of people living in Africa face today. Do you not consider this a more pressing matter that you should focus your energy and resources towards?
Innsendt av: Grete
Are there any more humane alternatives to the current way of killing whales?
Would it really be unproblematic to let the species grow without limitations?
Get a life
This is food, million off people in the world dies and you run after a whale. Get a life. Start too help people in afrika.
Innsendt av: svein H.
Let all the people who reacts negatively to the whale fishing go into a normal slaughtehouse! The would propably not like what they see there either, but still they want hamburgers and beef. Talking about double morality!
Innsendt av: Thor Loenning
I'm not about to defend the way this particular Whaleboat goes about with its work. I just hope it was an exception to the rule for how it is usually done.
My question is: Hwo's taking care of the rights of the many bulls in Spain? Slaughtered for the amusement of a big crowd... They don't even do it for the meat - it's too full of adrenalin-acid(?) to be eaten. Tormented a long time, before finally getting a sword stuck down its neck! Thats crime against animals, if you ask me!!!
Innsendt av: lillevenn
I'm really sorry about these STUPID people.. I hope people don't think all norwegians are like that...
Innsendt av: Me
1 Observation is not evidence
Dear Ms. Lonsdale,
Would you agree to the statement: "Criticising a whole industry based on one observation is fair." ?
Innsendt av: Jacob Wibe
How can you
There is alot of whale which are killed on a human way, and there is a few accidents as the film shows.
How can we eat meat if one kill like this is set to be representative for all killing of animals/whales. You should know that accident happens in any kind of hunts and any kind of butcher.
How can you support one film like this that shows an accident ?
Innsendt av: Pj
Dear Ms. Lonsdale
I am a Norwegian living in London and saw the article about your film in yesterday's Metro. I was appaled - not because of the hunt, but of the nature of your journalism. Do you really believe that filming one incident (that admittadly was a wrongdoing) gives grounds to your claim, "clerely there is no humane way of killing a whale at sea"? This is not satisfactory investigative journalism, and it saddens me that stunts like that is used to inform urban people of whaling. In relation to other forms of hunting and indeed domestic meat trade, whaling is no worse. Simply because people are being given a romantic, disneyfied notion of the whale as some greater form of being, does not mean that should influence an informed opinion. The killing of the whale in your film was clearly not humane, but there is nothing that suggests shuch a happening is everyday. The minky whale is not indangered in our waters, and a controlled harvesting is viable. Eating it is no different from eating beef.
Innsendt av: Anders Alterskjaer
I am not getting into the merits of eating whale compared to eating beef but there is a conservation imperative attached to Norwegian minke whales in that we cannot be sure how many whales there are because counting techniques are extremely inaccurate and we do not know how the impacts of environmental changes to the marine ecosystem will affect whales
what is so bad about whale "killing" compared to other hunting? i can agree on the fact that the hunting of endangered species is not wanted, but when the stock is sustainable and it is all happening under strict control, what is the problem?
Innsendt av: simen
Why is this bad?
Have you seen what usa does agains people? have you seen what the english people kill the fox?
You can see Norway is not more bad than the rest of the world!
Why you cant see to your own country first?!!
Innsendt av: Whong le
The cow comparison
Why protect the whales if they're no more intelligent than a cow? Or are they more intelligent?
I would like you to point me to some independent scientific sources that would give a sound basis for saying that whales are - in and of themselves - more worthy of protection than any other animal humans hunt and use for food and other tings.
Innsendt av: The sceptic
This is an issue of welfare and conservation. Consumption of farmed animals is an important issue but we are not discussing it here.
I agree that they shouldn't kill the whales like that but what are we supposed to do when we get to many of them.. maybe not in the nearest future but if we totally stop there are going to be to many.. what then? a mass masacre?
Innsendt av: chris
its not ok!
but its human to do mistakes in the killingproccess. I dont think the men onboard the ship like to torture animals, do you?
why dont you send money to children in africa?
Innsendt av: Frank
I have great concern for children in Africa but we are talking here about Norwegian whaling.
I have a little question. This is one case with bad luck for the whale "hunters", but do you have any documentation of any kind, how they have killed all the other whales? As the article states, you came to Norway, got one shot of film and then left. Have you ever seen the movie, 9/11 made by Michael Moore? This was supposed to be a documentary, but he has only seen one side of the story. You seem to be cought in the same trap. And to be very honest with you, I have never eaten whale meat and have not made up my mind if I am against whale "hunting" or not, yet.
Innsendt av: Tom - From Oslo
1: How is whaling different from any other kind of hunting a wild animal. Is whaling in any way less acceptable than hunting e.g deer?
2. How is the 14 minutes that whale suffered worse than the somtimes much longer suffering of domesticated animals (read cattle or sheep) beeing transported and slaughtered under poor conditions?
3. Why am I left with the feeling that environmentalist / animal rights organizations only pursue the cases that won't leave the average american consumer (read: person that may donate money) with a guilty conscience for their own actions?
Innsendt av: NN
2. No animal should be subjected to a time to death of over 14 minutes - in the wild of in the slaugher house.
3. Whaling is an extremely important issue as are the other issues that EIA and WSPA address. I am writing as a representative of EIA and I can assure you that we choose the issues we work on because they are critical and we can make a difference and not because they raise loads of money. Where ever we can we focus issues on the consumer and not just those carrying out the action we are documenting. Exploitation and consumption go hand in hand and I am not just talking about whaling but also illegal logging, ozone depletion, ivory trading etc etc.
Whales and things...
Do you know how long it takes before a bull dies in bullfighting in Spain? About the same as the poor whale in Vadsø. But that bull is killed for fun! Why dont you use your resources were they are needed? Instead of attacking people whos lives depend on whales?
Innsendt av: Christine
I find this whole video rediculous. They are killing a whale in 15 minutes. The endorfines in the whales body has prevented it for feeling any pain. It dies in the end. If it left with the harpune still attached without dieing I would react, but this does not happen. Groups like WESPA and EIA should pay more attention to animal suffering in Central Europe were farm animals live under terrible conditions their whole life.. This whale was free all its life.. It ended in 15 minuts.. Not a big deal. People around the world have more suffering than this whale ever had during its life and death.
I m not a big supporter of norwegian whaling, but this is video is not something i would categorize as animal suffering. Animal suffering is when animals live their whole life in pain and then it ends.
Innsendt av: Jo Tonnessen
Just because we care about the suffering inflicted on whales does not mean that we do not care about the suffering of people and other animals.
Why is it better that small fish disappears in stead of big animals - like whales.
Are you aware of the fact that whales are to blame for the disappearence of several types of small organisism in the sea. How can you decide what life we should protect?
Innsendt av: Lisa
why is it not forbidden to catch hvale??
It is not an animal who cares about human, like sharks it. It is a nice and sweet animal..
My parents love the meat from the hvale, but i really hats it.. I dont like to eat a nice hvale.
Innsendt av: MIss
Have you tasted whale?
Innsendt av: Espen
I understand you passion for the topic when we see footage like this. But let me ask you this. Do you beileve that accidents happen, and things do not always go as planned? In all fairness to the whalers; You can not judge the whole whaling industry based upon one unfortunate happening!! I see no statistic involved here of how many shots goes wrong and how many are considered "humane killings".
In -95 you write "Never do the hunters acknowledge the simple ethical fact that if you cannot kill without causing suffering, then you should not kill."
My second question to you is then "Have you ever eaten a hamburger?"
The farm animals go through a lot more than just these 14 minutes.
Innsendt av: -jens-
Norwegian journalists are not very good in geography, and in the text it is claimed that the hunt is done from the port of Bardu. Bardu is an inland area known for salomon fishing and military acctivities...hundreds of kilometers from wher this took place... in Vardø. there is room for improvement in the accuracy in translations too. make sure they listen when you talk.
Innsendt av: alfkramer
Fish suffer too?
Does EIA differentiate animal suffering according to species, or is the slow hauling in of fish on a hook in principle as bad as the killing of this whale?
Innsendt av: Robert
Why is it, that people like you from central parts of Europe, call for no whaling? Have you any concept of what it's like to live in remote areas of the world, relying on ie whaling for survival? Surely, the answer isn't for everyone to live in major cities in central countries. What do you suggest the coastal population of Norway, Greenland, Iceland, and Russia do for a living? Become hairdressers?