Kjemper mot rasering av regnskog i Indonesia. Nettmøte fra jungelen i dag kl. 13.

SUMATRA, INDONESIA (Dagbladet.no): Hapsoro ser utover den nakne sletten fra et vakttårn regnskogaktivister har bygd i provinsen Riau på Sumatra. De grønne flekkene under ham er små bregner og plantersom har vokst opp av asken de siste månedene.
DRENERER Tre meter dype grøfter er gravd for å tømme torvmyrene for vann, når tømmeret er fraktet bort.

DRENERER Tre meter dype grøfter er gravd for å tømme torvmyrene for vann, når tømmeret er fraktet bort.
Foto: Truls Brekke.

BYGGER DAMMER: Aktivistene bygger dammer som holder vannet på plass så ikke torvmyrene tørkes ut og kan brukes til palmeoljeplantasjer.

BYGGER DAMMER: Aktivistene bygger dammer som holder vannet på plass så ikke torvmyrene tørkes ut og kan brukes til palmeoljeplantasjer.
Foto: Truls Brekke.

Regnskogen

I tillegg til å rasere verdens biologiske mangfold står avskoging og brenning av regnskog for 20 prosent av verdens klimautslipp, mener FNs klimapanel.

Det er tre områder i verden som har store sammenhengende områder med regnskog: Amazonas, Kongo-bassenget og enkelte øyer i Sørøst- Asia, som Sumatra i Indonesia.

Sumatra er på størrelse med Sverige og har fremdeles rundt 30 prosent av den opprinnelige regnskogen intakt.

Indonesia er vertskap for klimatoppmøtet som starter 3. desember. Planen er å bli enige om et felles grunnlag foran forhandlingene som skal lede fram til en ny Kyotoavtale i 2009.

Prisen for å redde verdens regnskog er i følge den britiske økonomen Nicholas Stern i overkant av 60 milliarder norske kroner.

Store svartbrente stubber står som minnesmerker etter den gamle regnskogen som ble påtent for et halvt år siden.

Etterpå gravde maskiner dype kanaler rundt området. Slik dreneres torvmyrene for å gjøre plass til en palmeoljeplantasje.

Kampen om regnskogen i Indonesia er hard, med steile fronter.

- Både jeg og vennene mine har blitt drapstruet av selskaper vi har utfordret, sier Hapsoro.

De ble gjentatt overfor det indonesiske magasinet Tempo, forteller han.

- «De hadde flaks som ikke var der lenger. Jeg skulle putte dem i sementen», sto det i et intervju med et selskap som hugger regnskogstømmer.

Nederst i saken kan du stille spørsmål til Hapsoro. Nettmøtet skjer fredag 8.november klokka 13 direkte fra jungelen på Sumatra. Spørsmål bør stilles på engelsk.

I horisonten står en vegg av gammel regnskog. Det er den veggen Hapsoros kamp handler om. At den skal bestå, og ikke rives ned av skogmaskiner.


Enorme klimautslipp

- Å lage palmeoljeplantasjer her fører til enorme klimautslipp. Mange i Indonesia føler klimaendringene på kroppen allerede, i tillegg til at regnskogen forsvinner raskt, sier Hapsoro til Dagbladet.no.

Nettopp brenning av regnskog og torvmyrer fører Indonesia opp på tredjeplass over verdens største klimagassyndere. Bare slått av USA og Kina.

Når de opp til 10 meter tykke torvmyrene tørker ut og karbonet i jorda reagerer med oksygenet i lufta skapes CO2. I området bak ham vil det slippes ut hele 100 tonn CO2 per hektar, årlig, i 10-20 år.

For et område på 40 kvadratkilometer, som er området lokalbefolkningen og aksjonistene i provinsen forsøker å holde vått, betyr det 400 000 tonn i CO2-utslipp hvert år. Det tilsvarer en liten europeisk by.

Store mengder av klimagassen metan slippes også ut av torvmyrene.


- Dette er vårt land

I tolv år har Hapsoro jobbet for å redde Indonesias regnskoger. Han har brukt dagen på å bygge dammer for å stanse dreneringen og palmeoljeselskapene han mener har tatt seg til rette.

De indonesiske aksjonistene, som får hjelp av Greenpeace International, håper det skal gro til igjen og å legge kjepper i hjulene for plantasjeselskapene.

- Dette er vårt land, ikke deres, sier flere aksjonister om hvorfor de saboterer plantasjene.

Flere av de omstridte områdene administreres av lokalt valgte politikere og gis så bort til plantasjeeiere. Mange mistenker at utbredt korrupsjon lar store selskap, og ikke lokalbefolkningen, overta landområdene.


- Norge gir håp

Norges miljøvernminister Erik Solheim sa for to uker siden til Dagbladet.no at Norge vil «() se hvordan man politisk kan få inn arbeidet mot avskoging i Kyotoprotokollen.»

Klimatoppmøtet som skal legge grunnlaget for en ny Kyoto-avtale starter i desember på Bali.

- Dette er flott å høre. Mange lands posisjoner er uklare i forkant av møtet, så at Norge har bestemt seg allerede gir håp, sier Hapsoro.

Han mener at klimadebatten handler om mer enn transport og industri.

- Den internasjonale debatten må snus. Mens vi fremdeles har muligheten, sier Hapsoro.

 
Publisert fredag 09.11.2007 kl. 07:00, oppdatert 14:57

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Nettmøtet er avsluttet. Les svarene fra regnskogaktivisten Hapsoro nedenfor.

Hello!
    Will boicotting products made of palm tree oil help, or is it something that will go by unnoticed?

    Or is it something else that "unimportant people" can do to make a statement?
    Innsendt av: E
Hello,

Until now, we are not doing the boycott of oil palm itself. There are lots and lots of product that made from oil palm. The problem is not about oil palm, but how it being produced. We are against the oil palm that produced from forest destruction.

Hapsoro, Forest Defenders Camp
 

enough help?
    what should the norwegian government do to help you?

    how do you (and greenpeace) deal with the corruption, it must be difficult to do something without beeing a part of the problem yourself?
    Innsendt av: jap
Hi Jap,

I think you can see my previous answer on what Norwegian government should do.

You are right that corruption is one of the main problems in Indonesia. It is not only some corrupt government officers. It is a systemic corruption that spreaded from top to the lower level of government. It is difficult (off course) to deal with, but if we don't deal with that then who else will do? Everybody should act!

Hapsoro, Forest Defenders Camp
 

The gouvernment
    Why is the wood owned by local leaders? Have the gouvernement given it to them? Have the bought it? Why don't tour gouvernment take control, and make them national parks?

    Jan Vidar
    Innsendt av: Jan Vidar
Hi Jan,

In our country, historically the forest is owned by the people since hundreds years ago, even before our country exist. The live in harmony with the forest. They use forest resources wisely. But then, unfortunately our government took over it. Our government doesn't recognize people's rights to the forest. Then forest is not managed properly, even being destroyed massively only for money.

National park can be answer, but usually the park is only protect very few forest. And much more forest are destroyed. Forest protection by the people or with full people's participation is much better.

Hapsoro, Forest Defenders Camp
 

Hi
    Hello Hapsoro, how long time do the rainforest have left if we can't stop the government?

    Innsendt av:
Hello,

Indonesia's forest is having very fast of massive destruction. Nowadays, there are at least an area of forest as large as 300 football fields being cut down every hour. We have to act now, if it's not maybe we only have one or two decades to go for our remaining forest to be finished. More suffered people of Indonesia and more difficult to save the world's climate

Hapsoro, Forest Defenders Camp
 

Keep ut the good work!
    The issue of deforestation is being adressed by many Norwegian journalists these days, and Norwegians are getting more aware of the problems you (and pepole like you) are facing. We support you! :)
    Innsendt av: a
Thank you very much of the support from Norwegian people towards us in here. Thank you to Norwegian journalists that publish what we do in forest defenders camp and make this support happened.

Hapsoro, Forest Defenders Camp
 

Support
    How can I (we) as a norwegian(s) support your cause i Indonesia? Is it possible to directly support your organisation with funds?
    Innsendt av: Tom
Hi Tom,

We will be very happy if you do anything that simple an easy for you to support. If you want to donate funds, you can give it directly to every Greenpeace's office around the world.

Hapsoro, Forest Defenders Camp
 

Keep up your good work!
    I deeply admire your work.

    What do you think is the moste effective means in order to succed in keeping the rainforest? What can we do in Norway to support the work your doing?

    What are your main challenges?

    Keep up your good work!
    Innsendt av: Cecilie
Hi Cecilie,

Thank you for your attention and support to us in forest defenders camp. I think you can see what you can do in Norway to support us more in my previous answer at this web page.

Challanges? Well, the main challange is to get what we aimed -- saving the remaining tropical forests in Indonesia, especially peatland forests.

Hapsoro, Forest Defenders Camp
 

Other civilians
    How does people who lives in the Indonesian cities react to what is happening where you live? Do they understand why and how it is important?
    Innsendt av: Adrian r
Hi Adrian,

Yes, they do. Right now Greenpeace also has a sattelite Forest Defenders Camp in Jakarta to get the support from people in big city like Jakarta. We had lots of supports from people as well as Indonesian celebrities for this event.

Hapsoro, Forest Defenders Camp
 

Hello
    Is there anything regular people in Norway can do to support your cause and help prevent the disappearance of rainforests on a world basis?
    Innsendt av: concerned
Yes off course, we need the help of ordinary people from around the world.

You can see my response before on how the people can support.

http://www.greenpeace.org/seasia/en/

Hapsoro, Forest Defenders Camp
 

What do you think?
    Hi, Hapsoro!

    Thank you for the work you are doing!

    I want to tell you about an initiative thats just been started.
    There is an international petition ;
    http://www.savetheworld.no/petition/index.php?langue=gb

    to protect all remaining rainforest. It is constructed so people in every nation can put pressure on their leaders to :
    1. Compensate nations for protecting their forests.
    2. Withdraw all national investments in companies that have harmful activities in the forest. And by taxation make this kind of business less profitable for private investors.
    3. Support the indigenous peoples rights to the land they live on.

    I would very much like your opinion and also advise on what action we should demand of our leaders. And most of all I would like your support in making this petition a success.

    Thank you for your time and attention!
    Innsendt av: Eivind Tjensvoll
Hi Eivind,

I very much support on the petition. I have submitted my support to the web page already.

In general, those three calls are right. But, it will be good if this also covered peatlands forest, since in it's very important as a huge storage of carbon. Not only on trees, but also inside the peat. In Riau province alone, peatlands forest can storage 3,000 to 5,000 tonnes of carbon.
 

Is Greenpeace of help?
    Hello Hapsoro! The situation in Riau worry's me a lot. Very good and brave that you are fighting against deforestation and palmoil! On the picture I could see a Greenpeace banner. How are the activists from Greenpeace helping you guys?
    Good luck!
    Innsendt av: Nina
Thanks a lot for your attention to us. Our Greenpeace activist are still in their high spirit to defend our forest. We are finishing our dams to block further drainage of the peatlands now.
 

Greenpeace
    Dear Hapsoro,

    Thank you for fighting for what you believe in and for saving the forest we all depend upon!

    What can the Norwegian authorities and people do to help you, the forest and your people?

    Best regards,
    Innsendt av: Jonas L. Fjeldheim
The most simple thing that Norwegian government need to do to help us in here is giving supports towards Indonesian Government to protect the forest from on going destruction. Other thing is to be more careful in using palm oil product, 'cause most of the palm oil product from Indonesia is related to the ongoing destruction.
 

The rainforest!
    Hi,

    how is it to live in the rainforest? Have villages been destroyed? Your village? Are the companies and people cutting the forest violent?
    Innsendt av: Jonas Landstad
The rainforest in my place has been destroyed in several places. But, we still some remaining forest left which we can save with the support of everybody in this world. The forest is traditionally own by the local community. This is not my village, but I'm here to give my time and willingness to help them survive. Their forest being destroyed by the oil palm plantation company.
 

Hi
    thank you Hapsoro:)proud of you..
    Bjoern from Norway
    Innsendt av: bjørn j
Hi Bjoern. Thank you very much. Actually I'm trying to do my best to save the remaining forest of Indonesia.

 

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